Affiliate since: 08/29/2013, Power Rank: 306

When and how should I start preparing for my retirement from SFI?

Well, the short answer is NEVER.

The beauty of SFI is that we can keep operating our SFI business until the day we die or our health becomes such that it is impossible for us to continue. At which time our SFI business will become an asset in our estate that we can pass on to our children or someone else to continue.

But the great thing about this question is that it encourages us to think long-term.

Thinking long-term has been my perspective ever since I joined SFI (on August 29, 2013) so in a very real sense I have been starting to prepare for my retirement from SFI since then.

So how am I preparing for this event (retirement), which for me, will occur many many years from now? (I’m just a young 61 years old.)

Well, I am doing it by, each day, trying to build the biggest, most successful SFI business that I can. I love SFI and what it offers. It has given me a new lease-on-life and hope for the future. (And these things will also push back the time when I will have to retire from SFI.)

Simply put – I want to learn the system, practice the system, and reap the rewards.

I’ve got a long way to go – but that is where I am going.

“Come and join me!”

“AIM HIGH – DREAM BIG!”

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When and how should I start preparing for my retirement from SFI?

Well, the short answer is NEVER.

The beauty of SFI is that we can keep operating our SFI business until the day we die or our health becomes such that it is impossible for us to continue. At which time our SFI business will become an asset in our estate that we can pass on to our children or someone else to continue.

But the great thing about this question is that it encourages us to think long-term.
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Affiliate since: 08/29/2013, Power Rank: 306

What’s the best way to get someone interested in becoming a SFI affiliate?

This is something we all struggle with. I think the most effective way is to focus on the need of the person you are trying to recruit. No one is going to want to become a SFI affiliate until they can see that it will help them get where they would like to go. So your initial approach should be to ask questions and find out what your prospect is concerned about. Then you can show them how SFI may help them achieve their dreams.

It is the same principle whether you are speaking to someone directly about the SFI opportunity or writing an advertisement. You have to strike a cord with them first.

This is a skill that can be learnt. So just start and see how you go. You will improve overtime.

Of course, once you have got their initial interest you will have to be able to convince them that you “know your stuff” – that you understand and know the SFI system and can demonstrate that it works. Ideally this will be from your own experience – which you will build up over time.

One of the great things about SFI is that you don’t need any prior knowledge or experience to get started in SFI. Perhaps the best thing you can do first it let SFI do the marketing for you. This is what I have done and am still doing.

Purchase one share in S-Builder. It only costs $22.00 per month and will provide you with a steady stream of SFI affiliates – people who have already decided to “give SFI a go”. You can then try to mentor them.

And you must be active in SFI. You need to work the SFI system each day. You need to become proficient in the different aspects of SFI. You need to develop your own success stories. You need to purchase products from TripleClicks yourself, play the games, bid at auctions. Be active in the forum. Write Stream posts and TeamMails etc. And write some answers to ASK SC questions – treat these as developing your own training materials.

All the work you do in SFI will build up your understanding and knowledge of SFI so that you can speak and write confidently about it. It is your enthusiasm and attitude towards SFI that will go a long way towards convincing your prospect that this is a business for them.

Finally, learn from your mistakes and treat each prospect as a different and special person. People are not clones. Be yourself and be truthful. Don’t forget that you will be developing a long term relationship with each person you recruit. You need to become friends and to respect each other.

Good luck.

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What’s the best way to get someone interested in becoming a SFI affiliate?

This is something we all struggle with. I think the most effective way is to focus on the need of the person you are trying to recruit. No one is going to want to become a SFI affiliate until they can see that it will help them get where they would like to go. So your initial approach should be to ask questions and find out what your prospect is concerned about. Then you can show them how SFI may help them achieve
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Affiliate since: 08/29/2013, Power Rank: 306

What are some ideas for promoting TripleClicks products during the big, upcoming holidays and gift-giving season?

I suggest you just do “more of the same” as what you have been doing to promote TripleClick products during the year.

But, of course, the Christmas and New Year holiday and gift-giving season presents a “bonanza” for SFI affiliates to do some really specific targeted marketing.

The following is just a suggestion of how you may be able to do this, but really there are innumerable ways – you are only limited by your own imagination.

One thing you could do is select certain categories of products – such as perfumes, special soaps etc. But perhaps you shouldn’t make the range too wide.

Maybe it may be better to go through TripleClicks and “pre-select” a few special gifts that you particularly like and market those as widely as possible.

Perhaps use the heading “The 5 (or 10) best gifts to give to a …

1. Baby
2. Toddler
3. pre-teen boy
4. pre-teen girl
5. teenager
6. young adult ma
7. young adult woman
8. your mum
9. your dad

etc. You choose what market you are targeting.

Perhaps include a price range, for instance

For $5.00 or less
$5.00 to $10.00
etc.

Make your choices AND give your reason. Include a graphic if you can and maybe a recommendation for someone.

And choose “Free Shipping” if possible.

Include the SFI guarantee at the bottom.

And indicate shipping time, perhaps “Allow 10 days for delivery.”

Give the “advertisements” your personal touch and market them wherever you can. Try to do as much free advertising as possible.

The Christmas/New Year season may also be a great time to encourage your favourite shop to become an ECA – try it. Again, the sooner the better. It can take about two weeks to have an ECA approved and it’s first products listed.

I think the best thing to do is – JUST GET OUT THERE AND DO SOMETHING! Anything is better than nothing and you will learn from the experience.

And may I wish you very blessing this Christmas/New Year season.

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What are some ideas for promoting TripleClicks products during the big, upcoming holidays and gift-giving season?

I suggest you just do “more of the same” as what you have been doing to promote TripleClick products during the year.

But, of course, the Christmas and New Year holiday and gift-giving season presents a “bonanza” for SFI affiliates to do some really specific targeted marketing.

The following is just a suggestion of how you may be able to do this,
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Affiliate since: 08/29/2013, Power Rank: 306

For my SFI business budget, on what should I spend the most?

To answer this question we must understand the SFI system. To succeed in SFI we should be following The Plan (see: - https://www.sfimg.com/the_plan).

We also need to understand how SFI works. We need to understand the Compensation Plan (see: - https://www.sfimg.com/Reference/CompPlan), the benefits of Rank (see: - https://www.sfimg.com/Reference/ComparisonChart) and the rules around how we earn and are paid our commissions
(see: - https://www.sfimg.com/Support/index?category=26444&folder=42426)

From this we can develop a strategy that will maximize our benefits depending on where we are at the moment in The Plan and what our goals are.

So, based on the above how should we spend our budget?

Central to our success in SFI we must obtain and retain the rank of Executive Affiliate (EA) each month.
(See: - https://www.sfimg.com/Support/Solution?id=33896&referrer=search)

Failure to do so means that we loose all our benefits, so the first thing our SFI budget should do is ensure we are EA2 each month. To do this we need to earn 1,500 VersaPoints (VP) each month.

There are a lot of ways to do this through a combination or sales/purchases and earning action VP
(see your To-Do List: - https://www.sfimg.com/Home?tab=to-do_list)

But here are two easy ways to do this: -

1. To just make EA on a small budget of $29.00 per month purchase one pack of 100 TCredits (earn 1,200 VP) and do the daily, weekly and monthly actions. That will easily earn you over 1,500 VP each month.

Note: Always purchase TCredits in packs of at least 100 TCredits. This is the cheapest way to purchase TCredits.

Can’t afford $29.00 per month? Yes, you can, it is less than the cost of a cup of coffee, tea or hot chocolate per day. So, drink at home or drink water and invest your savings in your SFI business.

2. But as soon as you can afford to, spend $36.25 and purchase one pack of 125 TCredits (earns 1,500 VP) each month. Hence you are EA2.

Do this with a Standing Order (SO) and you earn an extra 100 VP each month, which together with the daily, weekly and monthly actions gets you well on your way to becoming a Bronze Team Leader (BTL).

Next your success in SFI depends on building a strong team of PSAs, CSAs and PRMs. So once you have secured your EA2 rank this is where you need to spend your SFI budget.

Again there are a lot of ways to grow your team. Some of these ways won’t cost you anything: - such as your “warm market” (family, friends, workmates social media and email contact etc) and free advertising opportunities (community and church notice boards etc). Please don’t neglect these.

But SFI is an international business and to take full advantage of the opportunities this offers to grow our own strong international SFI business we do need to invest in an advertising budget.

What are my priorities? This is what I do: -

1. I invest in one unit of S-Builder each month. This costs $22.00 per month on a SO and will give you a small but steady stream of PSAs and PRMs

2. Then I purchase PSAs from ECAs in TripleClicks. It’s important to realize that SFI is a “numbers game”. We never know whether a prospect who joins our team will stay and become a “Diamond”. In my experience (from all sources) the retention rate is less than 1%. (I’m continually trying new ways to increase this but I haven’t found any full proof methods yet.) So on this basis, cost per recruit is paramount.

I purchase my PSAs from ECAs that offer the cheapest cost per affiliate. Currently this is $1.00 each but sometimes there are specials where the cost drops to $0.67 each. And I also purchase my PSAs with MRP when possible – these are essentially free.

3. Pricebender Auctions (PB) is another way to purchase PSAs and CSAs cheaply, if you win. This takes patience, skill, a calm head and a bit of luck.

One thing I do each day is earn 20 VP and hence receive an extra entry in the Daily Grand. 11 VP are earned each day from free To-Do List actions and I make up the remaining 9 VP needed by bidding on PA (and playing EZ games).

While EA2 is the initial rank to obtain becoming s Team Leader provides even greater benefits. Personally I strive to be at least a BTL each month.
As a serious SFI businessman wishing to advance to Diamond Team Leader (DTL) as soon as possible my SFI budget includes as a priority the purchase of two 125 packs of TCredits each month. This guarantees me the rank of BTL each month (provided I have one EA2 in my team, which I do). And it also provides me with a “spring board” to higher TL rank, such as STL.

Hence this is a budget commitment of $72.50 per month (still less than 2 coffees a day).

S-Builder is another $22.00 per month.

50 PSAs through an ECA is another $50.00 per month.

Total monthly budget $142.50, which of course is reduced by the commissions I earn each month – I reinvest these back into my SFI business.

To be honest with you at the moment this is my SFI budget each month.

But my dream is bigger than this. As I can afford to I will be increasing my SFI budget to include $50.00 per month on local advertising and product advertising.

Also please don’t forget the opportunities for transfer buying. This is something I try to do as much as possible. This is not really a part of my SFI budget but it does have an impact on my commissions and hence is a very important part of my SFI business and it is one area I am striving to grow.

Summary:
Spend you SFI budget first on TCredits to ensure your EA2 and TL rank (which ever is appropriate for you).
Spend next on growing your team using S-Builder, ECA PSA purchases and PB auctions.
Then spend what you can afford on local and product advertising.
Finally use transfer buying through TripleClicks.

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For my SFI business budget, on what should I spend the most?

To answer this question we must understand the SFI system. To succeed in SFI we should be following The Plan (see: - https://www.sfimg.com/the_plan).

We also need to understand how SFI works. We need to understand the Compensation Plan (see: - https://www.sfimg.com/Reference/CompPlan), the benefits of Rank (see: - https://www.sfimg.com/Reference/ComparisonChart) and the rules around how we earn and are paid our commissions
(see:
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Affiliate since: 08/29/2013, Power Rank: 306

I want to be a good co-sponsor to my CSAs … but I don’t want to overstep boundaries on those who have a great sponsor. How do I fill my role appropriately?

I really value my CSAs. In fact I have strived to be a team leader each month I have been in SFI so that I can get a share of the “second home CSAs”. And now, with the “CSA rewards program” I can earn even more FREE CSAs each month (last month I earned another 17 CSAs in this way.) So I have more CSAs than PSAs and more of them are active too. They are a major contributor to my monthly commissions.

Basically I treat my CSAs just like I do my PSAs. They get the same weekly teammail. I answer any questions they may ask me as quickly as I can and as fully as I can. And I send them tips when I think they need some. I pay particular attention to any on my Movers Tab.

I also seek to develop a relationship with them. Once they respond to one of my emails I will ask them to tell me a little about their SFI story (history) and what their relationship is with their sponsor. And sometimes I look at their sponsor’s profile to see how active they are in SFI.

I also ask my CSAs what they wish to do with their SFI business. Are they happy to just be an EA or are they striving to become a DTL? How I help them depends on their response. And I do reward those who are working with membership of my co-op and with TCredits. But I don’t communicate with their sponsors – I don’t have time to do that.

Basically I think that I can’t control what someone else does in SFI, only what I do. So I try to be the best I can be. I try to write relevant messages to all my team. I do get some positive feedback. And I think that if I am consistent over time that will go a long way to helping and motivating your CSAs to develop their own SFI businesses. Of course if I succeed their sponsor receives a larger share but that cuts both ways. The work my teams co-sponsors do for my PSAs may also increase my commissions too.

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I want to be a good co-sponsor to my CSAs … but I don’t want to overstep boundaries on those who have a great sponsor. How do I fill my role appropriately?

I really value my CSAs. In fact I have strived to be a team leader each month I have been in SFI so that I can get a share of the “second home CSAs”. And now, with the “CSA rewards program” I can earn even more FREE CSAs each month (last month I earned another 17 CSAs in this way.) So I have more CSAs than PSAs and more
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Affiliate since: 08/29/2013, Power Rank: 306

What can/should I do differently in 2016 to see that my affiliates become active in SFI?

I can’t “see” (or make) my affiliates become active in SFI. That is their personal choice. But perhaps if I change a few things I might make it harder for them not to become active.

So, I am trying to make myself (and hence SFI) more real to them. I want them to realize that I am a real person, just an ordinary bloke, just like them, and that SFII is for “us ordinary people”. In fact SFI is for everyone! This is how I am trying to do this: -

1. I make the Stream posts and weekly TeamMails that I send out quite personal. I talk about what I am doing. I describe the problems and challenges that I face and how I am trying to overcome them. I talk about how my family life impinges on SFI and visa versa. And I talk about my achievements and the wins/rewards that I receive from SFI.

2. I try to break down SFI into small progressive bits. And I advise them to work at their own pace, don’t become overwhelmed. SFI will still be there for them tomorrow. Just do what you can each day or whenever you can.

3. And I am trying to put my face before them. For instance I prepared and sent out a video clip on Youtube with a short Christmas message. And I did another one for New Year.

I’m not very good at this. It is something that I will have to learn to do better – and I will. And the next step is for me to prepare Youtube training video clips and send those out.

4. And I want to follow these Youtube clips up with a series of day-by-day “this is what you should do” guides. I’m in the process of preparing these now.

The above is all about trying to get my team to begin in SFI. Once they do, once they ask me something – then I can give them specific, personal, “one-on-one” advice.

Is what I am doing working? Well, the very small number of affiliates who rate me each month give me 5 stars. That is very satisfying. Of course alot do not respond at all. But perhaps the most encouraging thing that happens is sometimes an affiliate who has been inactive for some time logs in and has another look at SFI. Maybe they don’t do much, but at least they came back. So perhaps what I am doing is making them more curious about SFI. That gives me hope to keep on trying.

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What can/should I do differently in 2016 to see that my affiliates become active in SFI?

I can’t “see” (or make) my affiliates become active in SFI. That is their personal choice. But perhaps if I change a few things I might make it harder for them not to become active.

So, I am trying to make myself (and hence SFI) more real to them. I want them to realize that I am a real person, just an ordinary bloke, just like them, and that SFII is for “us ordinary people”. In
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Affiliate since: 08/29/2013, Power Rank: 306

How can I learn to be a good Team Leader for my group?

I think to some extent you learn as you go. That’s probably the best way to describe what I do. As the leader of my group I am like a coach and mentor to them. But being a SFI team leader is more than that because I am also a working SFI affiliate. So there are two aspects to this.

1. Me, as an active SFI businessperson.

Like any other SFI affiliate I work my SFI business too. So I “lead from the front”. I have learnt the SFI system and I work that system as best I can for myself on a “day-to-day” basis. This will change depending on my budget, circumstances and the time I have available. It’s a dynamic balancing situation. AND it is a DAILY activity. This is my business and I am serious about it.

I make sure that I keep myself up to date with what is going on in SFI. I read the news and any emails and messages sent to me by SFI and I study all the new stuff so that I can understand it and begin to apply it to my business as soon as possible.

And I have a “self-improvement plan”. I want to get better at SFI. I want to learn new things. I want to address my weaknesses, particularly in marketing, social media and using a website, so that I can improve my performance and grow my SFI business. So I plan to make time to read and learn.

So running my SFI business is a very practical “hands-on” thing. I plan to do something. If I don’t know how I have to learn how. And that is what is so great about SFI – all the free resources here for me to read up and study and learn.

By doing these things I put myself in a good position to be able to lead my group.

2. Leading my group.

I expect my group to also be doing these things. And that is what I teach them as a group. They must learn SFI basics and they must work daily. If they are not prepared to do that then there is little I can do to help them. But, hopefully they will see what I do, see my badges, read my TeamMail and Stream posts and be motivated to do the same.

Now, this is where it gets interesting and the real fun starts. Each of my team members is different. So I give them specific individual advice. To do that I look at what they are doing (or haven’t done). I look at they goals, and discuss their budget (if any) with them. I will make suggestions to them, that is all I can do. It is their decision what they actually do. And they will ask me questions.

This is why I have said the “you learn as you go”. Because when I am asked a question I may have to research the answer myself first. I certainly have to make sure I am giving them the correct information.

So leading is a very personal thing. To help my team member to succeed I must take him from where he is today and teach him what he needs to know. All the time working with him, at his pace, doing what he wants to do. Remember his SFI business will be different from yours.

So, I guess, in essence learning to be a good team leader is a very practical thing. If you “know your stuff”, work your own SFI business, and are responsive to your team member, you will learn to be a good team leader.

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How can I learn to be a good Team Leader for my group?

I think to some extent you learn as you go. That’s probably the best way to describe what I do. As the leader of my group I am like a coach and mentor to them. But being a SFI team leader is more than that because I am also a working SFI affiliate. So there are two aspects to this.

1. Me, as an active SFI businessperson.

Like any other SFI affiliate I work my SFI business too. So I “lead from the front”.
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Affiliate since: 08/29/2013, Power Rank: 306

What’s a great welcome gift for new PSAs and CSAs?

I think a great welcome gift for new PSAs and CSAs is anything that will help do the following: -

1. Increases their faith that SFI is a real business,
2. Reassures them that they can grow their own successful SFI business,
3. Lets them know that they have a dynamic leader (you), and
4. That they are joining a great team that offers ongoing training and support,
5. Encourages them to get started, and
6. Gives them a tangible reward for immediately becoming active in their SFI business.

We join SFI to earn money not to spend money. So it is just not possible or desirable for us to be giving a great gift as a handout for a new PSA or CSA. Neither do we want a team of affiliates who are dependent on us. It is not good to “give a fish.” It is better to “teach how to fish”. And, of course this is what SFI is all about. So how should we welcome a new PSA or CSA?

I think that the greatest welcome gift that we can give a new PSA or CSA is for us to the human face of SFI to them. I think this more than anything will address all the above 6 points. How do we do this?

We should be GREAT ambassadors for SFI. This means that we espouse the SFI dream and we show this by what we are doing in our SFI businesses.

We will be fully enrolled in SFI and have done all the Getting Started Actions. We will have completed our profiles, whitelisted SFI emails, prepared our budget, set out our goals, and we are actively working in our SFI businesses. We will have uploaded a great photo, created our avatar, set up our Leadership Page, our TConnect Page and our Gateways and be active in purchasing and/or selling products and services from TripleClicks.

We will be following the SFI system. This will show in the badges that we are starting to collect. Our VP will be growing day by day, and we will be striving to move through the ranks.

We will have prepared a friendly Welcome letter and will use E-Cards to welcome each new PSA or CSA into our team as soon as possible after receiving them.

And we will be sharing our enthusiasm for SFI with them.

These are really all tangible gifts that let our new team member know that they have become part of a great team and are sponsored/co-sponsored by someone who cares about them.

And finally we have the Cash Welcome (CW) and TCredits Welcome (TW) programs that we can offer to our new PSAs. Check these out here: -

https://www.sfimg.com/MyAccount/TCWelcomeManager?tab=cash

I actively support the CW program and offer it to all my new PSAs. And I personally think that giving them their “first dollar of commission” is enough of a gift.

You know, SFI is a living entity.

So it is my pleasure to note the progress of each of my active team members and to respond to them individually. That is my promise.

And that is the GREATEST gift that I can give to them and it is ongoing.

For more details to do this, check out the “How to be an Awesome Sponsor” here: -

https://www.sfimg.com/Support/Solution?id=191295

Finally a new PSA or CSA is the greatest gift I can receive from SFI too.

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What’s a great welcome gift for new PSAs and CSAs?

I think a great welcome gift for new PSAs and CSAs is anything that will help do the following: -

1. Increases their faith that SFI is a real business,
2. Reassures them that they can grow their own successful SFI business,
3. Lets them know that they have a dynamic leader (you), and
4. That they are joining a great team that offers ongoing training and support,
5. Encourages them to get started, and
6. Gives
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Affiliate since: 08/29/2013, Power Rank: 306

How do you explain to team members why VersaPoints appear to reset to zero at the start of each month?

There seems to be a lot of complicated answers given to this question? But it is really very simple. I’m surprised the question has even been asked.

Perhaps the confusion in people’s minds is because we are talking about “VersaPoints” – that’s not a word used anywhere else (that I know of) except in SFI – so people are not familiar with it.

So, what are “VersaPoints” (VP)? The glossary definition is: -

“Points awarded to affiliates for a variety of actions, as outlined on the VP Ledger. The more points affiliates earn each month, the higher their SFI commissions can go. See the VersaPoints FAQs for more information about VP. You may also want to check out the Benefits Chart for a complete list of VersaPoint rankings and associated benefits. FYI: SFI Power Rankings are based on VersaPoints.”

See https://www.sfimg.com/Support/Solution?catid=26444&id=33893

We all understand the concept of money. Well VP is a currency that SFI uses. SFi has created it as a special type of currency because this allows SFI to use it in special ways by giving an action or product a certain number of VP.

Really the simplest way we should look at VP is to think of it as “time”. If we work in a job then we are paid for the time worked either at an hourly rate or if on a salary then for a set number of days, usually monthly. And we are paid either weekly, fortnightly, monthly or on a “per rate” basis. At the end of each pay period the total number of hours worked (or items completed if on a piece rate) is calculated up and we are paid at the hourly salary or piece rate.

For the next “pay period” the number of hours we work begins again at zero and is totaled up until the end of the pay period – then we are paid (hours x rate).

In SFI it is the same – on about the 10th day of each month we are paid commissions for the work we have done during the previous month – ie, the VP we have earned during the previous month. The more VP the higher our commissions/earnings once we have earned 1500 VP for the month.

I hope this helps. God bless you.

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How do you explain to team members why VersaPoints appear to reset to zero at the start of each month?

There seems to be a lot of complicated answers given to this question? But it is really very simple. I’m surprised the question has even been asked.

Perhaps the confusion in people’s minds is because we are talking about “VersaPoints” – that’s not a word used anywhere else (that I know of) except in SFI – so people are not familiar with it.

So, what
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Affiliate since: 08/29/2013, Power Rank: 306

What are the big picture things you are doing to make your SFI business a success?

We are talking “broad strokes” here so I won’t go into detail but I think we need to be doing two main things: -

1. We need to understand how SFI works, its system, its structure, its innovations, its infrastructure, its products and services and we need to actively embrace these.

SFI has given us a free platform for our business. We need to be using each aspect of this as best we can to our advantage. This includes: - Our SFI Homepage, our TConnect Page, our Leadership Page, our ECA store, our Gateways, our own Co-op, etc. So, come on board, understand each of these things and learn to use them as best you can.

SFI is innovative, always amending existing features and programs and introducing new ones. We need to keep on top of all these and jump on board them. Let’s see where SFI can take us.

This leads to the second thing we need to be doing: -

2. Learn everything you can about internet marketing and online selling. SFI has an internet training course (old and revised) available for us to study and teach us what to do.

And there is specific information on the website about each facet of the SFI.

We need to read and study these things such that we become knowledgeable
Then we will be able to use them effectively ourselves and train our team to do the same.

And I think we need to think long-term. No business just happens. It takes work and time. My advice is, stay with SFI and work your SFI business. Treat each day as a step in creating a solid foundation for your SFI business. If you do that then things will start happening over time and one thing will build on another.

Thinking about what I have just written. What I am really saying is – SFI has provided us with this wonderful business vehicle to financial independence, we just need to learn how to use it. The big picture things I have mentioned are all about developing ourselves and our abilities.

Let’s go for it. “Aim higher Dream bigger.”

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What are the big picture things you are doing to make your SFI business a success?

We are talking “broad strokes” here so I won’t go into detail but I think we need to be doing two main things: -

1. We need to understand how SFI works, its system, its structure, its innovations, its infrastructure, its products and services and we need to actively embrace these.

SFI has given us a free platform for our business. We need to be using each aspect of this as best
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